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Cryo Magnom · Jan 12, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I vote against this change. Think about it, that would mean your character would have to go through all three campaigns and cap the same elite skill 3 times, it would take you triple the time to cap the same skill just to have the title Kind of a Big Deal. I understand for some they don't have all three campaigns and they are stuck in just one campaign, but that would not be fair for the people who have all three and they would have to spend 3 times the money & effort to cap that skill just to have the title of Kind of a Big Deal.

Like someone else said, the title "Kind of a Big Deal" is an elite title, and it should stay that way.

My vote is against this

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Well, I think it would look more nicer to have only one base of Skill Hunter titles, not across the campaigns. It's one of the titles that takes a *lot* of hard work to max out. But people seem to really like this idea, so I can't argue with the masses.

However, I would not like to see an "international" title at all, be it skills or cartorgrapher. I think that's giving a little too much in terms of max titles.

Speaking of max titles, how's the Spearmarshal title going?

Clobimon · Jan 12, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Cryo Magnom

... Think about it, that would mean your character would have to go through all three campaigns and cap the same elite skill 3 times, it would take you triple the time to cap the same skill just to have the title Kind of a Big Deal. I understand for some they don't have all three campaigns and they are stuck in just one campaign, but that would not be fair for the people who have all three and they would have to spend 3 times the money & effort to cap that skill just to have the title of Kind of a Big Deal.

This change as far as it sounds is pretty much a sure thing...

Anyway, as stated earlier, it does not mean capping the same skill three times. It is impossible since once you cap it you can't cap it again with the same character - nor is it necessary.

I'd assume the splits per continent will be:
Prophesies: all elite skills in Tyria (total = 90)
Factions: all elite skills introduced in Cantha (total = 90)
Nightfall: all elite skills introduced in Elona (total = 110 (111 with LB Gaze))

the core elites skill dispersed around Cantha and Elona will probably not count towards Skill Hunter Elona/Cantha but most likely go into the title track for Skill Hunter Tyria. People that do not own Prophesies would only be able to fill that track up to the amount of core elites.

lxy Muppet · Jan 13, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I think its a great idea and would make them worthwhile titles to pursue.

Solely for status and not counting toward koabd or pkm i would like a display title for protector, cartographer and skill hunter, across all campaigns. like GMC (2), (3), each time you complete another title of the same type.

Ayumi · Jan 14, 2007, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Please, do not make campaign specific titles, Gaile.
This will lower the Kind of a Big Deal title and it should be an exclusive title, for players that have put work into getting the title.

I'm not saying that if the campaign specific titles might be launched, the people who are going to get those titles are lamers or anything, but it will certainly make the Kind of a Big Deal title way easier to get and as I stated above -and I've always felt about the title that way- it is something exclusive.

Campaign specific titles or not? My answer is no.

-Ayumi

EDIT:Remove: 83.55%, Keep: 16.45%.
Aww mai gawd, from now on I hate polls. This truly sucks.

Wertic · Jan 18, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

I love the idea!
Sure it cheapens the KoaBD title, but dont you wanna max your skill hunter title? I vote "yes"!

SotiCoto · Jan 18, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

And what comes next?

National versions of all the other titles?

Tyrian Treasure Hunter?
Canthan Seeker of Wisdom?
Elonian Drunkard?

Its a ridiculous suggestion and I'm horrified that so many people vote in favour of it. I'd suppose its because they're all after the big, shiny titles... but are failing to realise that the more people have those titles, the less big and shiny they are....

But besides it cheapening the KoaBD title, it cheapens the Skill Hunter title as well. Afterall... the current Skill Hunter progression sounds more impressive than any further nation-specific ones would, and actually gives the impression of having to have travelled to get those skills. Start splicing it down to national titles and that effect is completely ruined...... not to mention the fact that quite a few elite skills are core and available on multiple continents....

Why the heck should the Skill Hunter progression be maximisable just for the sake of all the unworthy gimps who want more to get to the KoaBD? "Kind of a Big Deal" isn't so named for nothing... Its supposed to be difficult!

Shmanka · Jan 18, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Emik

I'd like all skillhunters and other repliers to post THEIR current eliteskill number and THEN vote instead of going with the 'majority' coz you don't have a mind of your own.
They'd best change the KoaBD title into CUT (Completely Useless Title) since everyone has it.

311 Elites. I vote yes for the change. It helps campaign specific players, and the international titles encourage players to purchase more campaigns. More copies of the game sold leads to a bigger and more stable community. More money for Anet to keep making games, more people to play with, more to work for and get involved with. Capping takes alot of work, like someone had pointed earlier its harder then the cartography titles (in a sense I would believe). You yourself being ignorant really didn't contribute to a valid position on the negative side. Infact I think the only thing you guys got to work off is that it makes the KoaBD titles less flashy... Thats just like saying smoking is good because the government gets money from it.

Feathermoore Rep · Jan 18, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Just because it cheapens teir 1 of KoaBD doesn't mean they shouldn't change the titles. The KoaBD and PKM titled wil likely have another tier or two added soon. That just mean PKM will be the KoaBD. Don't get your panties in a bunch. If you already have KoaBD and are worrying about it being cheapened, go max another title or two so when they split you can can PKM.

If you put the Maxed Titles track aside, what reason do you have to vote against the split of the Skill Hunter title? Other than maybe saying the prestige of having Elite Skill Hunter is more than the Prestige of seperate tracks, but thats only if you have all 3 campaigns. So those with just 1 or 2 campaigns, the new skill titles will be jsut as presitgous as the old skill title.

BTW I'm pretty sure they've already decided to split the titles. We just haven't gotten the update yet.

Legendary Shiz · Jan 18, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

Just because it cheapens teir 1 of KoaBD doesn't mean they shouldn't change the titles. The KoaBD and PKM titled wil likely have another tier or two added soon. That just mean PKM will be the KoaBD. Don't get your panties in a bunch. If you already have KoaBD and are worrying about it being cheapened, go max another title or two so when they split you can can PKM.

If you cheapen tier one, you obviously taint the rest of the tiers. It just means you have to do that less/same amount of work for more titles.

I like the idea of the split, just had to point out the lack of logic in this post.

Bryant Again · Jan 18, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I would just like to know why the decided to implement this. I'm pretty sure no one had asked for something like this (correct me if wrong) and I feel as though there's other things they should be working on.

Yeah, that sounds arsey, but I really feel no need for this feature. I don't care if it does, I just don't see why.

nugzta · Jan 18, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

311 Elites

Total elites available in all campaigns are 291 elites. If you try to make up some number at least dont make it obvious.

Feathermoore Rep · Jan 18, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

And no you dont taint the rest of the tiers. With the release of more campaigns it becomes easier to get KoaBD and PKM anyway. And its not like the split just a free title. You actually had to have capped all the skills, which in IMO is worth a max title. And if they add more tiers to PKM (which they should), i dont see how it cheapens it. You still have to max X number of titles to get KoaBD, PKM, and whatever the next tier(s) may be.

Maybe my logic is flawed. And yea maybe it cheapens KoaBD a little. But there is still a steep work curve, between KoaBD and PKM, and whatever the next tier maybe. So IMO it doesnt really cheapen it that much.

Considering there is like 16 max titles you can currently have maxed. The Skill Hunter Split will add 3 max titles (1 for each campaign yea?) to give a total possible of 19. As well the next campaign will easily add 2 more, putting the total over 20. So assuming they add onto PKM, its still VERY hard to reach the highest level. It just makes the work curve steeper as you climb the ranks of PKM.

But hey everyone is entitled to their opinion

Kook~NBK~ · Jan 19, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I would just like to know why the decided to implement this. I'm pretty sure no one had asked for something like this (correct me if wrong) and I feel as though there's other things they should be working on.

(291 elites capped)The fact that the skill hunter title cannot be maxed out as it is currently set up has caused many people to complain about it. There were many, many people sitting with 180 elites capped in Prophecies and factions just waiting to max out the title with an additional 45 they could get with the release of Nightfall (before Nightfall, the max title was set at 225 elites capped). With the release of Nightfall, the requirement for the max title went up - beyond what it's possible to get with all three chapters - resulting in the complaints.

As for the KoaBD title, there are supposedly five tiers to that track now. What the three titles after PKM are hasn't been publicized.

Drevik Crimson Hero · Jan 19, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I have always thought that the skill hunter title was a waste especially since you can only use one Elite on your bar at a time.

On my ranger, I have unlocked every non-elite skill on 5 classes in all three chapters as well as many of the decent elites for those classes. While that does indeed allow me a more versitile build on my heroes. I find it to be somewhat of a waste as well as I know I will never use many of the poorerly developed skills. There isn't a title for that kind of skill collecting either. I have even heard it mentioned by some that because of the amount of XP that it takes to do that, some have found it more impressive.

I am not advocating the deletion of this title but rather a more encompassing skill title that includes the unlocking of non-elites.

Total skills available including non elites:
Core 241
Prophecies 214
Factions 330
Nightfall 350

Aeon221 · Jan 19, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Only on the condition that the international skill hunter title be :::

International Man of Mystery

Pwny Ride · Jan 19, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Its probably only me that thinks this but erm..

Kind of a Big Deal is the most FUGLY looking title - its sorta picking on players with it. I laugh when i see it, its a good 'i have no life' statement

Exoudeous · Jan 19, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

If you cheapen tier one, you obviously taint the rest of the tiers. It just means you have to do that less/same amount of work for more titles.

I like the idea of the split, just had to point out the lack of logic in this post.

not really as you are really only getting 2 new titles, thats still 8 more for PKM, which is still alot. the fact that low tiers are easier to get doesnt make the hard to get ones cheaper.

its like giving a slacker 2 answers to a test, sure they will do better but they still arnt going to get an A

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

I laugh when i see it, its a good 'i have no life' statement

and that statement makes me laugh, its a good "I'm not good at the game, but ill make fun of people who are by saying they have no life"

Sli Ander · Jan 19, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

To those that say it cheapens the title, look at it this way.

Lets say I have 2 maxed titles plus Skill hunter. Lets say you have KOABD + skill hunter. If the proposed change goes through, I get KOABD. You get 3 more titles.
We're the same distance apart, and you still have the opportunity to get People Know Me. Rather than cheapening the title, it makes people that get the Higher tiers of this title stand out more, as well as rewarding the Skill hunters with a maxable title.

But that's just my two cents

SotiCoto · Jan 19, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

Just because it cheapens teir 1 of KoaBD doesn't mean they shouldn't change the titles. The KoaBD and PKM titled wil likely have another tier or two added soon. That just mean PKM will be the KoaBD. Don't get your panties in a bunch. If you already have KoaBD and are worrying about it being cheapened, go max another title or two so when they split you can can PKM.

If you put the Maxed Titles track aside, what reason do you have to vote against the split of the Skill Hunter title? Other than maybe saying the prestige of having Elite Skill Hunter is more than the Prestige of seperate tracks, but thats only if you have all 3 campaigns. So those with just 1 or 2 campaigns, the new skill titles will be jsut as presitgous as the old skill title.

BTW I'm pretty sure they've already decided to split the titles. We just haven't gotten the update yet.

Its probably just my opinion.... but I think "Kind of a Big Deal" sounds a lot better than "People Know Me" .... so I'd honestly sooner have the first tier title. As long as its still rare, its still worth having.... but if this change is put forward, it will become far easier to aquire and won't seem worth it. I mean sure... it will then be a bit easier to go for the "People Know Me" title, but I personally think that one looks like crap. Ironically... my real-life name pretty much means "People Know Me" ... and the less I'm reminded of that, the better...

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Its probably only me that thinks this but erm..

Kind of a Big Deal is the most FUGLY looking title - its sorta picking on players with it. I laugh when i see it, its a good 'i have no life' statement

Yep.... just you.
I think "Kind of a Big Deal" looks pretty awesome, but I suppose that might be because I have an innate love of understatements. O'course it'll never be as awesome a title as "Incorrigable Ale-Hound" ...

And if there is another title I want to get that isn't presently possible.... its "Hated" .... which as I recall is the max-rank title for consistantly losing at the dragon festival games... or something like that. I really want that one on my necro.... desperately.